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Raleigh Habersberger
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I think the podcast was a great intro to flying through class B airspace. I learnt to fly in the bay area out of RHV and was very used to do doing the bay shore transition through cbas. I flew my own plane countless times up past oakland or sfo. It's been a few years, but bay/sierra approach was always very nice and helpful, and always busy.

I didn't think much of it till I moved out east to Indiana. Getting VFR advisories from chicago approach/centre is nearly impossible much less getting a transition. I've heard similar things from local pilots as well. I know similar things happen at other busy cbas, so maybe some of the reason pilots and intimidated of cbas is because some places aren't friendly to vfr traffic.

Food for thought.

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LongEz 87KJ
www.geekfarmlife.com -- Two geeks move to the country, what could go wrong?

It's nice to hear from another bay area pilot! Of course ... you're moving east and I have been moving west

You bring up a good point and I know we have all, at one time, been made to feel as though we shouldn't have asked! I also know that Chicago can be difficult, but it is the exception and not the rule. More often than not I find the controllers around the country to accomodating. Even in the airspace surrounding LAX. I also find that if on the initial call the controllers suspect that you are inexperienced or might cause them problems, they will refuse. So the way the initial call is made can sometimes influence the outcome. Practice your Bravo transition communicaiton procedures until you sound like a professional and maybe even the Chicago controllers will let you through.

P.S I enjoyed the farm photos ... thanks!

Jason

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"To Live is To Fly" - Townes VanZandt
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Jason,
I am a local pilot in phoenix,AZ and I have not been flying now for about 2 years and having started listening to your podcast, I am hooked! I really have learned a great deal from you about flying and having not flown for awhile, the podcast have been a great review. Thank you so much for producing them. I have to say that I really like the recorded radio calls because they bring back memories of when I was learning to fly in Salt Lake and flying throught Class B airspace.

I do have a question....my CFI taught me that whenever you go into class Bravo airspace, you needed to get the ATIS and report to Approach which ATIS you had. In your podcast on crossing class B airspace i never heard you give approach the ATIS you had. Are you suppost to tell the ATIS or was my instructor just teaching me extra? Please let me know.

Thank you

Morgan Watkins

Hi Morgan,
We just flew through Salt Lake area yesterday...it was my first time out that way, sure is stunning.
Your question...if you are planning to land, then absolutely you should report you have ATIS. However, if you are transitioning, it is not required. It may be helpful to see if any relevant information is attached to the ATIS, like TFR's, departing traffic etc.
Also, just as Jason stated in the above post, your initial call-up is important to the controller. By indicating that you also have ATIS does show that you are aware of the surrounding conditions. This may be why your instructor taught you this.
All of the detailed regs are further explained in AIM 3-2-3, have a read. A little dry, but very informative.
Are you going to get back into flying?

anais